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Something Odd (A Doleful Rant)

Discussion in 'The Thailand Vapers Lounge' started by Davo, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. Davo

    Davo Thread Starter Member

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    Hi friends. I've posted elsewhere that I'm Irish, and I retired to live in Chiang Mai. But China was actually my first choice, and I spent a month in Nanjing to check out the lay of the land. OK people, most of them anyway. But foreigners are not welcome to retire there unless they have something the Chinese government wants or needs.

    However, I found it very odd indeed that although vaping essentially came out of China, and still does, almost no one there actually vapes, or even knows what vaping is. But virtually all the men smoke cigarettes.

    The cancer rate there has shot up by 3,000% in the last few years - not due to cigarettes - but only since they wired virtually the whole country for wi-fi. What does that tell you? It tells ME that smoking doesn't cause cancer at all.

    My uncle-in-law was a telephone linesman all my life, working outdoors in the west of Ireland where the air is unpolluted and healthy. He never smoked cigarettes or drank alcohol. Yet he died of lung cancer.

    Linesmen deal every day with constant electromagnetic signals like wi-fi.

    These days, I go into cafes and bars and I see couples sitting together. He's the most important thing in her life, and she's the most important thing in his. Neither of them pays any attention to the other. They're buried deep in Facebook on their phones.

    What we've lost is not worth the gadgets we've gained.

    I'm glad now that China didn't want me. The fools don't know what they've lost. :unbelievable:

    I'm glad because I found Thailand instead, and fell head over heels in love with it. I should have found it 40 years ago - I'd have Thai grandchildren by now.

    Namaste,

    Davo.
     
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    Ya know, I live in China, in a small resort town. There's a vape shop here and a vaping community. I've been to Nanjing several times. There's at least one vape shop there as well, and I have seen others vaping there. At least one vape shops in Hangzhou, including one that specializes in custom gear and high-end equipment. We won't even get in to Shanghai (wheree the vape shops will ship your order throughout China), the vaping capitol of China. Methnks you just didn't do your research. Or the vaping community didn't come knocking at your door with an engraved invitation.
     
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    No time like the present to get started... :D
    :wink:

    See how you feel after a year or two of exposure to their attitudes towards westerners. This used to be a lovely place to live but not any longer. I've been here 15 years and will retire elsewhere in a few years. YMMV ;)

    Their attitude towards vaping defies belief (except when viewed in the context of the Thai Tobacco Monopoly (TTM)). It's treated as more dangerous than heroin or speed FFS...where's the logic in that? TiT o_O
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    Yep, I did near on 12 years in Thailand before heading back to the UK, and just in time with how the attitude to vaping is. The UK isn't great as the Government is a right mess, the whole leaving the EU thing is crazy but at least the vaping is cool, even with the TDP thing it's not really changed anything in that regard...
     
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    Thanks for the education, -V-. Everywhere I went in Nanjing, I had people approach me to ask what kind of a yoke I was smoking. Literally no one I met there in the whole month recognized or knew what a vape was. When I told them my machine was made in China, they thought I was taking the piss.

    I brought a gift vape for a friend's father at her request because of his incessant coughing. He seemed to like it well enough, but I found out after I left that he only did it not to disappoint me and stopped as soon as I'd gone.

    Namaste,

    Davo.
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    Agreed on the attitude towards vaping. Reason? Thailand has positioned itself as a global centre of affordable medical excellence, and there's been huge investments in infrastructure to support that. Walk along any busy street or through a shopping mall and every fourth or fifth shop is a pharmacy. Hospitals are everywhere.

    The pharma corporations are at the forefront of the global campaign to have nicotine declared a drug (which it is) so they can control it exclusively. So when medicine says "jump," certain people ask "how high?" Health management (I can't call it "healthcare") is the biggest and most lucrative industry in the world.

    It's not just Thailand. It's everywhere. A constant flow of ill people is needed to pay off those bills. Cancer treatment in the US costs between $350,000 and $1.3 million PER CASE - that money either comes from the insurance companies or the taxpayers.

    Cancer isn't a disease - it's an industry.

    'Nuff said, I think.

    Namaste,

    Davo.
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    @ Siam Diesel - forgot this:

    "Never too late to get started?" You could be right. I've seen guys 20 years older than me down the Night Bazaar with 20-year-old honeys on their arms. Not my gig though. You need big bucks for that. And what the hell would I talk about with someone who thinks hip-hop is music? Maybe a gorgeous 45-year-old though...

    I dunno. I went through most of my life hating everyone just on principle. Then I got very sick indeed eight years ago. I got off my butt and built a website to appeal to the world for info. I've been a pro writer and marketer all my life, so I know how to hook people in with words.

    They came in waves to help me. A complete stranger. So because I knew others like me were in the same sinking submarine, I started to share what I was given, and to help and encourage other people through their nightmares. I'm still doing it. And I'm healthier today than I was 20 years ago.

    Here's what I think: before the Big Bang, the whole universe was one, mashed up together in a ball. Then boom, it's all suddenly in your face, and galloping off at full speed in every direction. We're all part of that universe, we were all mashed up together in that ball, every one of us.

    I've learned that love is the force that powers the universe. It's not the opposite of hate at all, but the opposite of fear. In a few, it shines like a sun. In more, it's a bonfire. In all, there is at least one spark of love. Because we all came out of the same furnace.

    I see my job here now as finding it in everyone I meet and adding fuel to their spark so it blazes. So that's what I do with the time I have left. It beats the hell out of pissing money against the wall. God knows I did that for long enough.

    And as a result of how I've chosen to live over the past eight years, I can fly to almost any country in the world and there'll be someone at the airport to pick me up, house me, feed me, and entertain me for as long as I want to stay. And I won't have to put my hand in my pocket once.

    Except for Thailand. No one from here ever wrote to me looking for help.

    That disease literally turned me inside out. In the best possible way.

    But I'll shut up now.

    Namaste,

    Davo.
     

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