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Aspire where have you been On the Moon ?

Discussion in 'General Thailand Vaping Discussion' started by Dieter., May 19, 2015.

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    Dieter. Thread Starter Secret Member

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    I came across this completely incredible Question from Aspire today at least for me. Therefore like to share it with you :

    MAY 18, 2015
    The tobacco cigarette industry wants to do serious damage to the e cig market.
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    Hi everyone! This is Frank from aspire, I received a Private & Confidential email from a guy called Alan O’Dell claimed The tobacco cigarette industry wants to do serious damage to the e cig market.
    * There will have to be an agent within Europe to look after your interests. This is a must according to these regulations. The agent will have to be in a position to act for you in line with what you want.
    Also to meet the conditions of the regulations which demand ongoing information about sales, technical alterations and new products. There also has to be an annual report to the E.U about
    usage in named consumer groups.

    * The maximum Nicotine content in a liquid is confirmed as being 2.0 mgs. Maximum bottle size is 10 mil. The bottles must be totally child and tamper proof.

    *The refill system must be spill proof, both bottle and tank / reservoir.

    * Replacement heads are suspect and may be considered not tamper proof.

    * The size of a tank / reservoir is a maximum of 2 mils (no exceptions).

    * The regulations state that the electric device must deliver a consistent amount of vapor and nicotine. This would seem to exclude the variable voltage units. There are rules to cover the safety aspect of electronics these are relatively normal.

    * The label with various health warnings etc have been increased. There must be literature with all liquids that must meet specific stated requirements.

    *There is then the question of licences for the liquids. There would seem to be two types one to cover tobacco flavors and one for fruit flavors.
    I do have some thoughts in this area:-

    a. Is there a nicotine replacement that could be introduced that could replace the actual nicotine being used ?

    b. Zero nicotine liquids. The regulations for these are less strict. Maybe there is some more product innovations / possibilities in this sector?

    The above are the main areas. There are additional administrative and legislative requirements for me to read through and understand.

    Can anyone tell me if it’s true?
    How to Rebuild Aspire Atlantis Horizontal Coil

    And here my answer on their blog:

    First it is not a maximum of 2mg nicotine but 20 mg of nicotine. I am very disappointed by your questions Aspire. Where have you been the last 2 years? on the moon? And no It is not Big tobacco, that is the biggest enemy here but big Pharma. In the European Council, there was a proposal for a new Tobacco Product Directive, which failed by the European parliament, but the Commissar responsible for the Tobacco products where bullied by some stupid also including Danish parliamentary members who backed up on a letter send by big Pharma, that it would be of the highest interest to regulate the whole E cigarette marked. And then the new Tobacco Product Directive came to life, which forces the member states to implement it in their laws sometime in 2016. The Netherlands have done so already and next where the Danes. The proposed law by the Secretary of Health has a hearing phase in which everyone could send their comments to the secretary of health and the parliamentary health committee. I together with a thousand other Danes did just that, and the result is that the law proposal now is of the table, and there will come a new proposal in the next session of the parliament meetings starting in October, and after the new elections in Denmark. And at least the proposed start of the law at November 2015, can't be reached.

    And yes if the proposed law that contain all of what you have written is put into action it will kill the e-cigarette business as we know today and only the first generation cigga likes that the pharma industry are selling will survive. But my Question to you sir. Where were you Aspire in all this ? While we the consumers have been organising, protesting against the law and protesting against all the misinformation in the mainstream media, where information was hardly needed by our suppliers, what did you do to help ? did you just move to another planet and slept the time away ? And now you suddenly wake up ?

    Sorry I'm sounding somewhat frustrating, but I'm a 68 year old person who have been rather busy in Forums in discussion boards sent letters to newspapers and send my comments on the Danish proposed law to the secretary of health and health committee twice, and I'm still active, but that our suppliers, who could help tremendously in our fight, are just sleeping and turn the blind eye to all this mess, is hard-wearing.
     
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    Siam Diesel Nauti Moderator Staff Member

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    Wow, that's just stunningly stupid...they must have been living in a cave (or haven't been paying attention)!
    Good on ya @Dieter. for the kick in the arse!
     
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    I really got angry, when I saw this block, and it seems that others already had informed another person from Aspire. But also to see how Innokin use their FB page for promotions of there products and the like, but they also publish links to all the studies that are made in favour of the E-cigarette, so that people, who might not be active on the forums, when they visit Innokin on FB maybe to participate in one of their many giveaways or whatever also get information on the many e-cigg studies. And what is Aspire doing ? nothing.
     
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    They're certainly missing the chance to have an influence in the court of public opinion, which sometimes counts for quite a lot.
     
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    So, we have all sorts of groups spending big money to almost legislate vaping into extinction which directly destroys Aspire, one of the worlds largest manufacturers of vape gear and they have no idea it's happening!!! Forget the moon Dieter, I feel like I've entered the twilight zone... Honestly f'ing unbelievable
     
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    I don't understand where it states that they do not know, or am I confused with where Aspire quote stops and where Dieter comment starts lol

    It seems they had an internal source revealing some info and here they are sharing it to us, is that correct ?

    Can someone please let me know, I'm a bit lost (and I probably need a coffee..)
     
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    take your Coffee and a deep breath. There is a link on how to rebuild an Aspire coil. Until there it is the Quote from Aspire and under the link (in Blue) is my answer. starting with "And here my answer on their blog" and the rest.
     
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    Oh ok so the sentence "Can you tell me if it's true?" is from them, not from you !

    Wow ok, weither that coffee is stellar or I became particularly smart (yeah, it's probably just the caffeine..).

    Thanks @Dieter. for clearing that up, indeed, it is a scary news :(
     
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    Yes and that made me so bloody angry, that I had to respond. I am always patient with a vaping newbie, but the stupidity from Aspire really made me mad, thinking of how we, who buy their product, fight for our right to to so, while the Company we buy from just sleeps the time away.
     
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